Internal treatments

I don't believe that we will ever find any topical that can treat sebaceous prominence but I think it is possible to treat it with supplements. Some scientists believe that what we eat can switch on or off certain genes and I believe that it is only a matter of time before we find something that works. To speed up the process I suggest that everyone on this forum try a different supplement and after 2 months report if anything has happened. When you tell what you are going to try I will write it in this post and after two months when you tell if it had any effect this post will also be updated. To find supplements you can visit this site http://www.iherb.com/. Click one of the letters and scroll down to categories. Please also tell in what dosage you take the supplements. The supplement I will start with is carnosine. The reason for that is that I'm vegan so I know that I don't get enough of it.

The list
Accutane: works for some people but it comes back when you stop taking it and because of the side effects you can't take it all the time. What we need is something that is just as good as accutane but without the side effects.
EDTA 1000-1500mg: Doesn't work. I have used it for about 2 months.
L-Carnosine 500 mg: effect unknown

Maybe we'll never find a topical cure. But a "cure " based on supplements is even more difficult.
I can't imagine any supplement that could target and restore to normal a group of small ectopic sebaceous glands
on the penis.

exi wrote:Maybe we'll never find a topical cure. But a "cure " based on supplements is even more difficult.
I can't imagine any supplement that could target and restore to normal a group of small ectopic sebaceous glands
on the penis.

Please only write if you have something to contribute with. Saying that it will probably not work doesn't help anyone.

Does anyone know if the sebaceous glands are supposed to be there? Does people without SP also have sebaceous glands on their penis?

jimmiandersen wrote:

exi wrote:Maybe we'll never find a topical cure. But a "cure " based on supplements is even more difficult.
I can't imagine any supplement that could target and restore to normal a group of small ectopic sebaceous glands
on the penis.

Please only write if you have something to contribute with. Saying that it will probably not work doesn't help anyone.

Try whatever you want, but that's my opinion.A topical cure is faster and easier to test.Besides supplements effects needs a lot of testing,
and here we're trying to find a homemade cure.Well, maybe you a managing a pharmaceutical multinational and you have tons of resources.

That's what jimmi... has private posted me. Just to show the kind of person he is.

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you retarded or something? I asked you not to write anything unless you have something to contribute with and then you wrote another useless post that doesn't help anyone. Please stay the hell away from my threads from now on. Idiot.

I think that threats and insults should not be allowed here, everyones opinion is important, and this forum is nobody property.

I agree, there isnt likely any single thing that will cause such dramatic effects. When it comes to internals, there is so much more that needs to be done than just buying something and taking it. If you want to take a serious internal route, you need to completely change your diet and how you live. Personally, I eat a pretty decent diet almost entirely devoid of any processed food, and take a laundry list of internals for general health, and my sp has never gotten any better because of it.

The things I take or have taken in the past include:
iodine
vitamin k2
cod liver oil
vitamin d3
organic silica
brewers yeast
GABA
serrapeptase
hyaluronic acid
curcumin
lactoferrin
organic vitamin e
taurine
resveratrol
selenium

I still actively take many of these things, and while I do not think any of them would have a direct effect on the glands themselves, the general health benefits may eventually correct whatever it is that drives sebaceous activity, and maybe by association, sp.

All in all, taking internals without changing your diet and lifestyle (the things that cause you to be unhealthy in the first place), will only gain you marginal benefits at best, and do nothing at all at worst.

late_thought wrote:I agree, there isnt likely any single thing that will cause such dramatic effects...

A single thing can cause a very dramatic effect. Below are some examples.
Vitamin k 2: can prevent heart disease and osteoporosis.
Resveratrol: Have an affect on sirtuin 2 and scientists believe that we can live longer if we take it.
TA-65: Can slow or reverse the shortening of telomeres which is the ends of our chromosomes. Some scientists believe that TA-65 can greatly increase our lifespans. When the telomeres gets too short we die.
Magnesium: More than 300 processes in the human body depends on magnesium.
That was just a few supplements that have a dramatic effect on the human body. I can easily find many others.

late_thought wrote:...When it comes to internals, there is so much more that needs to be done than just buying something and taking it. If you want to take a serious internal route, you need to completely change your diet and how you live. Personally, I eat a pretty decent diet almost entirely devoid of any processed food, and take a laundry list of internals for general health, and my sp has never gotten any better because of it.

The supplements you have taken has affected your body but they didn't have the effect that you wanted them to have. The only thing I have to say to that is try something else.

late_thought wrote:The things I take or have taken in the past include:
iodine
vitamin k2
cod liver oil
vitamin d3
organic silica
brewers yeast
GABA
serrapeptase
hyaluronic acid
curcumin
lactoferrin
organic vitamin e
taurine
resveratrol
selenium

I still actively take many of these things, and while I do not think any of them would have a direct effect on the glands themselves, the general health benefits may eventually correct whatever it is that drives sebaceous activity, and maybe by association, sp.

What dosages and which of the things have you taken for at least 2 months?

late_thought wrote:
All in all, taking internals without changing your diet and lifestyle (the things that cause you to be unhealthy in the first place), will only gain you marginal benefits at best, and do nothing at all at worst.

Accutane works without changing your diet. But I agree that it's a good idea to eat healthy food. I will try to eat a strongly anti inflammatory diet and see if that helps.

jimmiandersen wrote:Does anyone know if the sebaceous glands are supposed to be there? Does people without SP also have sebaceous glands on their penis?

I just received an answer from a doctor and apparantly all people have sebaceous glands on the genitals and on the lips. It's the sebum production that is the problem.

STOP PM ME. DO NOT INSULT ME OR ANYONE ELSE. THIS IS NOT YOUR PRIVATE FORUM.

I just ordered 100 capsules of 500 mg L-Carnosine. I will tell you in about 2 months if it has any effect.

Let's just all get along were working for a common goal here people

When I said dramatic effect, I mean a dramatic effect on sp, not general health effects. I thought that was pretty obvious.\

The scientists that believe TA-65 can turn back the clock on telomere degradation? Well, Ive actually met the head of the lab here in the states that did the testing on it, and have seen him lecture on the other ~30 substances they tested positive for telomerase activation.

I also dont need your random copy paste list of what certain things can do, Im more than aware that taking supplements and herbals can do for health. Ive seen the ends of my teeth go from translucent to full white thanks to mk4k2, vitamin d, and magnesium. Ive felt the effects on stress and heart palps from high dose iodine and selenium. Ive seen my skin plump and glow thanks to high dose hyaluronic acid, omega 3fa, vitamin d, and organic selenium. Ive seen my gums turn a healthy bright pink thanks to habanero extract and tea tree oil. I have felt the uplifting energy benefits of taking organic sources of vitamins, like brewers yeast, chlorella, spirulina, and wheat grass powder.


I dont need you to read me blurbs that look like they were copied off the side of a cheerios box, I know first hand what these things are capable of, and I have seen far more health benefits than you could hope to comprehend if you havent experienced them. And if I did want to read anything, I have a PubMed membership and an external hard drive with more PDF files than most people have songs.

My point is this, and there isnt any knowledgeable person on this planet that would disagree: if you think that simply taking a supplement is going to make you more healthy than normal, youre sadly mistaken. If you think that you can treat conditions and illnesses not caused by deficiencies by taking supplements, then eating a piece of fried chicken and washing it down with a coke, then youre not just sadly mistaken, youre wasting your money. Much of your health is based on your diet and environment, and youre not going to see much benefit of taking supplements when youre eating processed boxed foods and playing video games all day. Taking supplements without making a positive change in your diet and lifestyle is like pissing on a fire in your bathroom while the rest of your house burns. You may put the fire in your toilet out, but the rest of your shit will be ashes by the time you zip your jeans up.

Drugs like accutane are an entirely different story, and rarely will you ever see a drug cure anything. A drug like accutane works without diet changes because its designed to destroy things, and it does a very good job at it. Even bringing up accutane to prove a point about diet changes is retarded.

My suggestion to you is that you learn from people rather than try to look smart in front of them. A lot of what Ive learned has come from simply listening to people who are much smarter than either of us, and implementing their teachings in my day to day. Ive actually put these things into practice, and run them through their paces, rather than just reading something and accepting it as fact.

Also, keep up with this trash talking entitlement bullshit and ill just delete your posts completely. If you cant deal with people telling you youre wrong on a public forum, then youre free to go talk to invalids in a nursing home instead.

late_thought wrote:When I said dramatic effect, I mean a dramatic effect on sp, not general health effects. I thought that was pretty obvious.\

Yes it was pretty obvious. The mentioned examples show that a single thing can have a very dramatic effect on the human body. I don't see why there shouldn't be something that can affect out sebaceous glands.

late_thought wrote:
I also dont need your random copy paste list of what certain things can do, Im more than aware that taking supplements and herbals can do for health. Ive seen the ends of my teeth go from translucent to full white thanks to mk4k2, vitamin d, and magnesium. Ive felt the effects on stress and heart palps from high dose iodine and selenium. Ive seen my skin plump and glow thanks to high dose hyaluronic acid, omega 3fa, vitamin d, and organic selenium. Ive seen my gums turn a healthy bright pink thanks to habanero extract and tea tree oil. I have felt the uplifting energy benefits of taking organic sources of vitamins, like brewers yeast, chlorella, spirulina, and wheat grass powder.

I don't care. I just just tried to illustrate my point which is that a single thing can have a very dramatic effect on the body. I think that there is something that can have an effect on our sebaceous glands and I am determined to find it.

late_thought wrote:I dont need you to read me blurbs that look like they were copied off the side of a cheerios box...

I din't copy anything from anywhere.

late_thought wrote:Drugs like accutane are an entirely different story, and rarely will you ever see a drug cure anything. A drug like accutane works without diet changes because its designed to destroy things, and it does a very good job at it. Even bringing up accutane to prove a point about diet changes is retarded.

Why do you feel that you have to call me retarded? Accutane is a naturally occurring derivative of vitamin A and everyone has is it their blood streams. If a naturally occurring thing like accutane can have such a dramatic effect on the sebaceous glands then why shouldn't there be something else that has a similar effect without the side effects? I believe there is and unless you can prove otherwise I will continue to believe it. Just because that you have taken a lot of supplements that didn't have an effect on your SP doesn't mean that there isn't something that will work. You just haven't given your body what it needs to make the change that you want.[/quote]

late_thought wrote:My suggestion to you is that you learn from people rather than try to look smart in front of them.

I'm not trying to look smart. I don't care about what you or anyone else think about me. I don't care if you think I am smart, retarded or whatever. I just want to find something that works for SP.

late_thought wrote:Also, keep up with this trash talking entitlement bullshit and ill just delete your posts completely. If you cant deal with people telling you youre wrong on a public forum, then youre free to go talk to invalids in a nursing home instead.

Do you want to argue ot do you want to help? In what dosages have you taken the before mentioned supplements and for how long did you take them?

There are dozens of things that can effect the sebaceous glands. Shit, people have talked about them at length on this forum alone, let alone the other forums. Again, and this is crucial here, effecting something that may be malfunctioning without addressing the underlying problems is a waste of time, and you only do yourself a disservice if you believe otherwise. Even arguing this point makes me an idiot too, as it is the single most important tenant in natural health, and thankfully its just considered common sense by anyone who knows anything on the subject.

Youre not making a point at all, what youre doing is reading something somewhere about what some substances are capable of, and figuring thats bolstering your position. Of course, these changes occur mostly because the people in which these changes were seen were highly unhealthy people who lacked the vitamins and minerals studied, and in a controlled study (where their diet and lifestyle were highly monitored) they saw dramatic changes from these substances because they were so wholly deficient. I promise you that if these people were allowed to eat mcdonalds, frosted flakes, kool aid, and ice cream, you would not be seeing these changes at all. In many other cases, these are not direct studies at all, but studies on people who naturally have higher intake of certain things, and comparing their health to people in other places (ie, people in china have a lesser rate of heart disease because they eat higher amounts of omega 3 through the non farmed fish they catch and eat. This does not mean that omega 3s have a direct effect on heart disease, just that people who have high intakes of good omega 3s have a lesser rate of heart disease. This doesnt take into acount the fact they do not eat processed foods at all, or the fact that their lifestyles include a lot of exercise in areas that are devoid of most kinds of modern pollution). You dont even know the point youre trying to make, youre just throwing words out there and hoping for the best.

Are you really implying that isotretinoin is a naturally ocuring substance? It is a highly synthesized and refined retinol isotope, and if it were naturally ocuring they would not be able to patent it. Not only is it highly synthetic, it is one of the most toxic and dangerous drugs on the market, one that is designed to cause irreparable atrophy to the sebaceous glands, and also causes the same kind of damage to the salivary glands, the tear glands, and many other lubrication systems in the body. Accutane does not directly effect the sebaceous glands at all, it just goes in and causes atrophy in the lubrication systems, the largest of which being the sebaceous glands. I dont need to prove that any natural health supplement wont cause the same effects, there is no natural health supplement on the planet that is designed to cause non reversible damage to your body in any way. If you had any clue as to how accutane worked, you could have come to such an easy conclusion on your own. Making assumptions on the nature of one of the more dangerous drugs on the market without half a clue as to what makes it different from a natural supplement, or even how it works at all it seems, is retarded. Im sorry if that offends you, but its retarded.

Do I want to argue or help? Arguing you is helping, so that other people can understand the right way to go about obtaining better health. If you want strong effects from the things you take, you need to make an effort to remove as much of the chemicals and poisons that cause you to be unhealthy from your diet as you can. There simply is no arguing against this. What I take and how long Ive taken them is not something Im even going to get into, but suffice it to say, Ive been taking the things I have for much longer than your recommended 2 months (2 months being not hardly long enough to test a toothpaste, let alone a supplement). If you come here making bold claims and insulting people, you better have something to back that shit up. In this case, you dont.