Wondering if SP is actually Fordyce/ A little test

I have been thinking about this for a few weeks now, and I am beginning to think that what we know as sp isnt really Fordyce at all, but something separate. Fordyce spots, in technical terms, are ectopic sebaceous glands, or glands that exist without a follicle in place. Because there is nowhere for the glands to empty into, theres a buildup that results in a bump.

However, it seems like the majority of us dont have many ectopic glands, if any at all. The majority of us have prominent glands attached to fully functioning hair follicles, meaning theyre not ectopic in the least. I wonder if the granule itself is meant to be considered Fordyce, or if the the fact that there is a follicle body involved means that it is not Fordyce.

Why does any of this matter? It probably doesnt.

Anyway, I did a test today and pulled out almost every last hair from my shaft right down to my sack. What I noticed was that nearly every hair had a white bulb at the end, whereas body hair I pulled elsewhere had only the live hair root. What surprised me was that many of the hair in the thicker skin had some kind of fleshy sleeve around the root that was easily a few mm long, that slid off the hair shaft when pulled, and clung tightly when left to dry a minute. I was told my someone more familiar with dermatology that this could just be the follicle itself, but Im not sure I believe that you could pull the whole follicle out just by pulling the hair, and it happens nowhere else on my body..

..except on the hair around my nipples, also with some prominent glands.

Heres what i want to see. Someone else should try pulling the hairs right out with their hand, really hard. Then, when youve done that a few times, try it on your legs or somewhere else theres hair (not your head). Try to focus on the thicker hairs at the base of your junk.

I think that whatever this shit is (pretty sure its some kind of keratinized sheath of buildup), I would bet it is what causes the blockage. If this is really not Fordyce in the traditional sense (which there is no cure for), then there may be more hope for getting rid of these things than we thought.

The hairs that come out of my leg have a small white bulb at the bottom of the root, and hairs at the base of my shaft have a blacker end, with about 1mm / 2mm of covering of something (very tiny amount)

However I would like to point out that my SP is loooking really good recent for some reason, and is hitting the 2/3/4 mark on the ratings. So someone with a worse condition might find more

After looking at this picture (http://academic.kellogg.edu/herbrandsonc/bio201_mckinley/f5-10a_exocrine_glands__c.jpg) I am sure it is just sebum.

The bulbs are likely what cements the hair in place, and these sheaths that are like tubes around the hair shafts are either a ton of hardened keratin thats coating the inside of the follicle, or the body of the follicle itself. When it dries, it dries hard and tough, just like the shit that I cut out of my sp some years ago. Sebum is just an oil, it doesnt create a tough rubbery substance when its broken down in any way. It gets cakey when it mixes with dead skin, but thats about the extent of how hard it can get.

I asked a doctor what he thinks about your theory and he told me that it is a reasonable theory and suggested that I take 50,000iu vitamin A and at least 10,000iu vitamin D daily. He also suggested topical tretinoin.

I have searched on the internet and found out that a vitamin A defiency can cause follicular keratosis. Below is what the website said.

"A Vitamin A deficiency can cause a condition known as follicular keratosis, hyperkeratosis, or xeroderma, in which there is excessive production of keratin, a hard protein. Keratin deposits form around the hair follicles, resulting in a rough texture to the skin resembling 'goose flesh.'"

I don't know why he suggested that I take vitamin D. If I can´'t find out by searching on the internet I will ask him and post the reason here.

I take quite a bit of vitamin d every day, it is great stuff. Vit d deficiencies, which are usually caused by lack of sun exposure, or the use of sunblocks that keep vitamin d from forming from sunlight, can cause all kinds of skin issues. I eat a ton of leafy greens and carrots (usually juiced in the mornings), so my vit a is good. A lack of either in your diet causes a lot of skin issues.

tretinoin can do a lot for keratin based issues, but I dont know that they do much for anything other than surface issues. Creams like retin-a and retin-a micro have had a pretty bad track record for sp on the forums for years, theyre so harsh that they seem to cause more issues than good. They seem to be really good for things like the different forms of keratosis pilaris, but even on their forums a lot of people seems to not be too impressed with their results, and thats mostly a surface condition on areas much less sensitive than dick skin.

When I tried tretinoin cream years ago, it turned my dick into a leather handbag and it was fucking disgusting. Most on the forums seemed to have the same issues, some smoothing at first, then it just turns out to be too harsh after too long. Mine seemed a tad bit smoother at first, but then my dick skin started feeling like my ball skin, and that was all i needed to see to stop. Vitamin a derivative based creams are pretty recommended by doctors for like every fucking skin disorder, regardless of what they know about the disorder in the first place.

Right now, Im working on what can cause such an overproduction of keratin, and I do believe it has a lot to do with thyroid issues, dietary bullshit, and an excess of insulin or insulin resistance. Until I think I can say fully that you can keep this shit from happening by detoxing your liver and kidneys like crazy, and taking high dose iodine for long enough to regulate thyroid function, Im looking for ways to digest excess keratin. Im using bromelain topically, and I am still wildly interested in the snail slime serum. If I can slow sebaceous activity with curcuminoids and pure licorice extract powder, then dissolve keratin with enzymes or snail slime, I think theyd disappear for good.

Fuck, by then ASC-J9 might already be out, and I still have the highest hopes on that.

Hey late thought, what do you reckon to this:

http://www.odaban.com/How.asp?Language=1

It basically is used to stop sweating by blocking the pores and re-routing all sebum and oils etc. Do you think this would block the passage of sebum to the skin or stop any 're-enforcing' of the hardened keratin?

No clue, man. Guess its just something youre gonna have to try and see.

kk will do

The doctor has sent me an e-mail explaining why he also suggested vitamin D. Below is what he wrote.

"...Regarding vitamins A and D, the reason that both vitamins A and D were suggested together is because the vitamin A receptor (RAR and RXR) heterodimerizes with (couples with) the vitamin D receptor (VDR) and when they are both activated at the same time by their respective ligands, nuclear translocation is increased by as much as 22%. So, when both vitamins A and D are taken together, the signals of both become stronger. Also, when taken together, one makes toxicity of the other virtually impossible - this provides a protective mechanism to reduce the potential for toxicity of either vitamin..."

Do you know what this means? What is nuclear translocation.

I have read that mega doses (up to 10 grams) of vitamin B5(pantothenic acid) can cure acne and I believe it could have an affect on SP. I asked the doctor if he could see any reason not to try it and here is what he wrote.

"...Regarding high dose pantothenic acid, there is some (mostly pilot and preliminary) research that indicates that it may be helpful for some skin conditions such as acne. We have not seen any research on vitamin B5 therapy for Fordyce spots, but it likely will not present any major concerns if you want to go ahead and try it. Safety studies have identified only mild side effects, like diarrhea and stomach upset/nausea..."

Hes basically saying that they work in synergy with eachother, increasing the signalling to both receptors. In nature, high vitamin a content is often found with high vit d content, as is the case with cod liver oil.

Vitamin B5 has been discussed quite a few times over the years on these forums, and no one has ever really seen any results. I wrote on it a while back in this thread http://sebaceousprominence.forumotion.net/treatment-f4/panthothenic-acid-vitamin-b5-t233.htm?highlight=vitamin . Basically, you take it to increase coenzyme-A production, and this cuts down oil production or something. Of course, you can just buy coenzyme-A supplements these days, and completely skip high dosing a single B vitamin, considering high dosing one b vitamin will make you sick as fuick, and make you deficient in every other B vitamin. No one has tried coenzyme-A to my recollection.

I've tried the high dosage vitanin b5 for 3 months and it didnt do anything to my sp. Latethought funny how you mentioned about insulin could be the cause I was reading that sugar does something to the insulin and salt does the opposite. Dr. Batmanghelidj in his book the water cure recommends taking extra sea salt daily for a range of problems so maybe we are getting to much sugar and not enough salt. Afterall salt has been in our diets for thousands of years were as sugar is a pretty recent addition.

Thats a good point. Sugars, especially processed sugars, cause insulin spikes in your blood, and insulin can cause a rise in sebaceous activity. Processed sugars are a new thing in the human diet, and are some of the absolute worst things you can put into yourself. Salt can be very beneficial, but this is mostly because salts like sea salt and himalayan rock salt contain a large amount of natural trace minerals. Processed salt, like the regular table salt we're all used to, is just as bad as processed sugar. It has no nutritional value at all, and the iodine they add to it cant even be absorbed into the body for the most part.

late_thought wrote:I have been thinking about this for a few weeks now, and I am beginning to think that what we know as sp isnt really Fordyce at all, but something separate. Fordyce spots, in technical terms, are ectopic sebaceous glands, or glands that exist without a follicle in place. Because there is nowhere for the glands to empty into, theres a buildup that results in a bump.

However, it seems like the majority of us dont have many ectopic glands, if any at all. The majority of us have prominent glands attached to fully functioning hair follicles, meaning theyre not ectopic in the least. I wonder if the granule itself is meant to be considered Fordyce, or if the the fact that there is a follicle body involved means that it is not Fordyce.

Why does any of this matter? It probably doesnt.

Anyway, I did a test today and pulled out almost every last hair from my shaft right down to my sack. What I noticed was that nearly every hair had a white bulb at the end, whereas body hair I pulled elsewhere had only the live hair root. What surprised me was that many of the hair in the thicker skin had some kind of fleshy sleeve around the root that was easily a few mm long, that slid off the hair shaft when pulled, and clung tightly when left to dry a minute. I was told my someone more familiar with dermatology that this could just be the follicle itself, but Im not sure I believe that you could pull the whole follicle out just by pulling the hair, and it happens nowhere else on my body..

..except on the hair around my nipples, also with some prominent glands.

Heres what i want to see. Someone else should try pulling the hairs right out with their hand, really hard. Then, when youve done that a few times, try it on your legs or somewhere else theres hair (not your head). Try to focus on the thicker hairs at the base of your junk.

I think that whatever this shit is (pretty sure its some kind of keratinized sheath of buildup), I would bet it is what causes the blockage. If this is really not Fordyce in the traditional sense (which there is no cure for), then there may be more hope for getting rid of these things than we thought.

Late thought....remember my story?

I lived for 26 F-ing years with a smooth cock and just white spots....But smooth as a baby's bottom....I am sure one would consider that Fordyce's spots....
Though after shaving they turned into bumps with micro hairs growing out of em....

So even these ectopic ones can have dormant follicles that can activate at a later stage....

If it is caused by keratin a cream that dissolves hair should probably work